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Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 504	Posted - 2012.04.05 05:09:00 - [1] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: I think it is about time they fixed the economy now before people who don't have 6 hours a day to grind up and leave because all the awesome new Ships CCP is releasing have to be flown with kids gloves because there goes halve your bank if you risk it. That depends on your perspective. Once upon a time in Eve you went out and tried to mine all your minerals your self for you first, cruiser, then your first battle ship. Many of the first cap ships were mined by the owners. Despite the greater risk then, compared to now, the population distribution across security sectors is very close to what it has always been. Perhaps increasing mineral prices by reducing the supply is an attempt to fix, and perhaps your perception needs adjustment as well.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 506	Posted - 2012.04.05 05:49:00 - [2] - Quote Alara IonStorm wrote: Different world. Now Tier 2 Battlecruisers are the norm and add on's like Rigs and a lack of T1 Balance around T2 Fitting stats have made ships like T1 Cruisers less then viable for engagements. With all the new ships the bar is being set higher and higher with what you have to use to compete. Back then a T1 Battleship was like a Capital today and Frigates / Cruisers were the norm. Now the field has expanded. The rebalance may help lower the cost of entry level PvP making ISK Costs go down for T1 Ships which might alleviate the problem. True enough, but I'll tell ya something. Fun in Eve is not defined by the nifty ship, it is defined by what you do with it. It is more fun to get your corp mates and try to do a lvl 4 in T1 cruisers than all of you in pimped out faction sparkle boats. One of the most fun experience I had in Eve was in Null sec. I fit up a crappy blackbird with whatever crap I could find on the market, all T1 stuff. I joined the fleet and some guy laughed, "hu hu hu, you won't jam anything with that!". Well a few minutes later, off we ran to help some blues save a carrier that was under attack by some reds. In we zip to the carrier and I locked the reds, each one of them, zap. I jammed them all in a cheap little crappy ship. The fleet asked, "Why didn't they shoot? What happened." I told them, "I used my crappy little blackbird." They didn't laugh at my crappy blackbird after that or my crazy caracal stuffed full of tracking disrupters. You do not need the big fancy pants ship to have fun. In fact, flying what you can afford to loose and not giving a damn is where the fun is.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 523	Posted - 2012.04.05 18:04:00 - [3] - Quote bldyannoyed wrote: This is all well and good but there is one small-ish problem. MINING IS A ******* AWFUL GAME MECHANIC. Yeah, mining needs a change, something interactive that won't scare CCP's network admins, and can't be hacked client side.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 524	Posted - 2012.04.05 18:35:00 - [4] - Quote Zircon Dasher wrote: And hopefully something that encourages multiple players banding together, not just 1 player running 6-12 accounts. Agreed, it scales too well for one human. It's just too easy to sit there and watch TV. This is also a good thing in some respects, but it should come at a cost compared to being more active. I've long advocated for two mining modes, the lazy I wanna watch TV mode, that reduces current yields by up to 80% in high sec, and a active mode that would give up to 20% more yield than passive in high sec. There would be no penalty for passive mode in low sec and null, where you need to be keeping an eye on things. Active mode in those areas would be 30% and 50% above current. What the active mode would be, it's hard to say what is best, there have been ideas on these forums for years. Trusting the client is the difficult part.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 525	Posted - 2012.04.05 22:06:00 - [5] - Quote Jessie-A Tassik wrote: But it does benefit Null Bears, so I suppose that makes it okay. It will make, by itself, INFLATION WORSE. Good, Eve needs some price inflation. It's also good for high sec. Maybe you can find something else to do other than shoot rats. As prices go up, the value in shooting rats goes down. Instead, maybe build ammo, mine something, trade over priced ships to rat chasing people? There's an entire sandbox out there that does not involve shooting red + symbols.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 527	Posted - 2012.04.06 00:36:00 - [6] - Quote Amity Lane wrote: If be "economic disaster" you mean "turned America into the richest, most powerful nation on the planet", then sure. In spite of, not because of.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 531	Posted - 2012.04.06 19:21:00 - [7] - Quote DarthNefarius wrote: if CCP DEVs were snart they'd make the tier 1&2 BC's & BS's easier to get but look at the HUGE cost spikes in Drakes!!! If CCP was making the tuffer hi end BS+ ships & T3's to get while then it'd be a much wiser route for a gal to reach but I foresee the mineral loss not appreciably making them as expensive a difference then the lower end ships/ And the result would be more money in the system with prices dropping further. Eventually the only thing worth doing would be shooting rats in high sec. That would kill the sandbox and turn it into an amusement park.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 534	Posted - 2012.04.06 22:30:00 - [8] - Quote Jessie-A Tassik wrote: So missions have already been kind of nerfed. That thought right there, is the light at the end of the tunnel. Stick with it. BTW, since that noob is not shooting rats, none of that ISK came into the economy either.
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 550	Posted - 2012.04.08 08:47:00 - [9] - Quote Misanth wrote: CBA to read this whole thread, skimmed through first page and nowhere there's a link to a source. Fanfest news, feature site for first bit of Inferno, a vid on tenton, prices of minerlas on the market. Easy to find stuff. Have fun. :)
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 551	Posted - 2012.04.08 09:12:00 - [10] - Quote Misanth wrote: TL;DR you are suggesting to 'figure things out' by reading between the lines on external sources. Ok. I'll re-post then: Source? google.com
Adunh Slavy Ammatar Trade Syndicate 565	Posted - 2012.04.09 12:35:00 - [11] - Quote Hemmo Paskiainen wrote: what economy, there is no economy. there is only a appearance of a economie where ccp still controls the base stats and this making you think there is a economie. its like the usa. if something is bad they simply stealth nerf it. or as in usa make things dissapear Please send me all of your ISK since it is apparently of no value.

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